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Converts or Disciples?

October 29, 2013 by warvn Leave a Comment

discipleshipAttend services at any of Ho Chi Minh City’s larger ECVN churches and, week by week, you’re likely to witness a steady stream of people โ€˜praying the prayer’ to receive Jesus as their Saviour. Whether in regular services or special outreach events, altar calls are often made. Praise God that his church in Vietnam is so concerned for evangelism and is seeing fruit!

But while there is a visible, steady stream of people making commitments, there is also a less visible, but equally as steady, exodus. Only about one in ten of those who โ€˜pray the prayer’ actually make it to baptism. Many do not integrate into church life, but even those who attend regularly, even for some years, gradually slip away when trials or competing commitments come.

Though many believers have a deep love for God’s word the only teaching style they know is one-way, lecture-style teaching in big groups, as happens throughout the Vietnamese education system. Respect for teachers means that people do not question what is taught and learning is done by memorizing. Bible study is treated in the same way, focusing on memorizing verses rather than understanding the meaning and applying it in their lives.

Because community is very important in Vietnamese culture small group discussion-style Bible study results in wonderful tight-knit fellowship and a deeper understanding and obedience to Christ. Small group Bible studies have developed amongst many younger people and through members of the ECVN who have a desire to learn more of God’s word for themselves. And many house churches, by virtue of having to remain small and unnoticed, are able to create smaller communities of believers where members journey with Jesus together.

Pray

  • “Evangelism is important, but my burden is for teaching those who have already believed, helping them become established in the Bible.”
  • Pray for those groups who are pioneering new ways of Bible teaching, allowing people to think about and apply the word of God.
  • Pray for more churches to embrace small group Bible study and for leaders committed to seeing individual lives growing in Christ.

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"๐˜™๐˜ฆ๐˜ฎ๐˜ข๐˜ช๐˜ฏ ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ ๐˜ฎ๐˜ฆ, ๐˜ข๐˜ด ๐˜ ๐˜ข๐˜ญ๐˜ด๐˜ฐ ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฎ๐˜ข๐˜ช๐˜ฏ ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ ๐˜บ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ. ๐˜•๐˜ฐ ๐˜ฃ๐˜ณ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ค๐˜ฉ ๐˜ค๐˜ข๐˜ฏ ๐˜ฃ๐˜ฆ๐˜ข๐˜ณ ๐˜ง๐˜ณ๐˜ถ๐˜ช๐˜ต ๐˜ฃ๐˜บ ๐˜ช๐˜ต๐˜ด๐˜ฆ๐˜ญ๐˜ง; ๐˜ช๐˜ต ๐˜ฎ๐˜ถ๐˜ด๐˜ต ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฎ๐˜ข๐˜ช๐˜ฏ ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ท๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜ฆ. ๐˜•๐˜ฆ๐˜ช๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ ๐˜ค๐˜ข๐˜ฏ ๐˜บ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ ๐˜ฃ๐˜ฆ๐˜ข๐˜ณ ๐˜ง๐˜ณ๐˜ถ๐˜ช๐˜ต ๐˜ถ๐˜ฏ๐˜ญ๐˜ฆ๐˜ด๐˜ด ๐˜บ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฎ๐˜ข๐˜ช๐˜ฏ ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ ๐˜ฎ๐˜ฆ. โ€œ๐˜ ๐˜ข๐˜ฎ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ท๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜ฆ; ๐˜บ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ ๐˜ข๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ฃ๐˜ณ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ค๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ด. ๐˜๐˜ง ๐˜บ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฎ๐˜ข๐˜ช๐˜ฏ ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ ๐˜ฎ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ ๐˜บ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ, ๐˜บ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ ๐˜ธ๐˜ช๐˜ญ๐˜ญ ๐˜ฃ๐˜ฆ๐˜ข๐˜ณ ๐˜ฎ๐˜ถ๐˜ค๐˜ฉ ๐˜ง๐˜ณ๐˜ถ๐˜ช๐˜ต; ๐˜ข๐˜ฑ๐˜ข๐˜ณ๐˜ต ๐˜ง๐˜ณ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฎ ๐˜ฎ๐˜ฆ ๐˜บ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ ๐˜ค๐˜ข๐˜ฏ ๐˜ฅ๐˜ฐ ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฐ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜จ. ๐˜๐˜ง ๐˜บ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ ๐˜ฅ๐˜ฐ ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฐ๐˜ต ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฎ๐˜ข๐˜ช๐˜ฏ ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ ๐˜ฎ๐˜ฆ, ๐˜บ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ ๐˜ข๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ญ๐˜ช๐˜ฌ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ข ๐˜ฃ๐˜ณ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ค๐˜ฉ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ข๐˜ต ๐˜ช๐˜ด ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ณ๐˜ฐ๐˜ธ๐˜ฏ ๐˜ข๐˜ธ๐˜ข๐˜บ ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ธ๐˜ช๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ๐˜ด; ๐˜ด๐˜ถ๐˜ค๐˜ฉ ๐˜ฃ๐˜ณ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ค๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ด ๐˜ข๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ฑ๐˜ช๐˜ค๐˜ฌ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ถ๐˜ฑ, ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ณ๐˜ฐ๐˜ธ๐˜ฏ ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜ต๐˜ฐ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ง๐˜ช๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ฃ๐˜ถ๐˜ณ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฅ. ๐˜๐˜ง ๐˜บ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฎ๐˜ข๐˜ช๐˜ฏ ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ ๐˜ฎ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ฎ๐˜บ ๐˜ธ๐˜ฐ๐˜ณ๐˜ฅ๐˜ด ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฎ๐˜ข๐˜ช๐˜ฏ ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ ๐˜บ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ, ๐˜ข๐˜ด๐˜ฌ ๐˜ธ๐˜ฉ๐˜ข๐˜ต๐˜ฆ๐˜ท๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ ๐˜บ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ ๐˜ธ๐˜ช๐˜ด๐˜ฉ, ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ช๐˜ต ๐˜ธ๐˜ช๐˜ญ๐˜ญ ๐˜ฃ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ฅ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ง๐˜ฐ๐˜ณ ๐˜บ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ. ๐˜›๐˜ฉ๐˜ช๐˜ด ๐˜ช๐˜ด ๐˜ต๐˜ฐ ๐˜ฎ๐˜บ ๐˜๐˜ข๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ'๐˜ด ๐˜จ๐˜ญ๐˜ฐ๐˜ณ๐˜บ, ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ข๐˜ต ๐˜บ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ ๐˜ฃ๐˜ฆ๐˜ข๐˜ณ ๐˜ฎ๐˜ถ๐˜ค๐˜ฉ ๐˜ง๐˜ณ๐˜ถ๐˜ช๐˜ต, ๐˜ด๐˜ฉ๐˜ฐ๐˜ธ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜จ ๐˜บ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ๐˜ณ๐˜ด๐˜ฆ๐˜ญ๐˜ท๐˜ฆ๐˜ด ๐˜ต๐˜ฐ ๐˜ฃ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ฎ๐˜บ ๐˜ฅ๐˜ช๐˜ด๐˜ค๐˜ช๐˜ฑ๐˜ญ๐˜ฆ๐˜ด."โ€ ๐˜‘๐˜ฐ๐˜ฉ๐˜ฏ 15:4-8

Keep praying. #pray4vietnam
๐˜›๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ด๐˜ต๐˜ฐ๐˜ณ๐˜บ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ง ๐˜‘๐˜ฆ๐˜ด๐˜ถ๐˜ด โ€“ the story of Christmas played out in a small neighborhood of the city. Praise God for His ever-lasting love today. Over 2000 years ago He came for all the people of the world.

โ€œ๐˜‰๐˜ถ๐˜ต ๐˜ข๐˜ด ๐˜ง๐˜ฐ๐˜ณ ๐˜ฎ๐˜ฆ, ๐˜ ๐˜ธ๐˜ช๐˜ญ๐˜ญ ๐˜ญ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฌ ๐˜ต๐˜ฐ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜“๐˜ฐ๐˜ณ๐˜ฅ; ๐˜ ๐˜ธ๐˜ช๐˜ญ๐˜ญ ๐˜ธ๐˜ข๐˜ช๐˜ต ๐˜ง๐˜ฐ๐˜ณ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜Ž๐˜ฐ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ง ๐˜ฎ๐˜บ ๐˜ด๐˜ข๐˜ญ๐˜ท๐˜ข๐˜ต๐˜ช๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ; ๐˜ฎ๐˜บ ๐˜Ž๐˜ฐ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ธ๐˜ช๐˜ญ๐˜ญ ๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ข๐˜ณ ๐˜ฎ๐˜ฆ.โ€ ๐˜”๐˜ช๐˜ค๐˜ข๐˜ฉ 7:7

God, thank You that You are Hope and Light to a world searching to fill their longings and needs. Shine Your Light and let believers from all around the globe walk as children of Light today. Amen

โ€œ๐˜›๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ฑ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฑ๐˜ญ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ธ๐˜ฉ๐˜ฐ ๐˜ธ๐˜ข๐˜ญ๐˜ฌ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ ๐˜ฅ๐˜ข๐˜ณ๐˜ฌ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฆ๐˜ด๐˜ด ๐˜ฉ๐˜ข๐˜ท๐˜ฆ ๐˜ด๐˜ฆ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ ๐˜ข ๐˜จ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ๐˜ข๐˜ต ๐˜ญ๐˜ช๐˜จ๐˜ฉ๐˜ต; ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฐ๐˜ด๐˜ฆ ๐˜ธ๐˜ฉ๐˜ฐ ๐˜ฅ๐˜ธ๐˜ฆ๐˜ญ๐˜ต ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ ๐˜ข ๐˜ญ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ง ๐˜ฅ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฑ ๐˜ฅ๐˜ข๐˜ณ๐˜ฌ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฆ๐˜ด๐˜ด, ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฎ ๐˜ฉ๐˜ข๐˜ด ๐˜ข ๐˜ญ๐˜ช๐˜จ๐˜ฉ๐˜ต ๐˜ด๐˜ฉ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฆ.โ€ ๐˜๐˜ด๐˜ข๐˜ช๐˜ข๐˜ฉ 9:2

Pray for Vietnamese to know the urgings of the Holy Spirit to follow the One True God this Christmas season. Let lives be changed, relationships established, growth and multiplication in new groups and churches planted for God's glory. #pray4vietnam
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Modern and contemporary coffee shops continue to o Modern and contemporary coffee shops continue to open throughout the city center bringing young adults to gather for conversations from work and home life. During the Christmas season, perfect opportunities to share the story of Jesus abound for believers.

โ€œ๐˜‰๐˜ถ๐˜ต ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜จ๐˜ฆ๐˜ญ ๐˜ด๐˜ข๐˜ช๐˜ฅ ๐˜ต๐˜ฐ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฎ [๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ด๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฑ๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ๐˜ฅ๐˜ด], โ€œ๐˜‹๐˜ฐ ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฐ๐˜ต ๐˜ฃ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ข๐˜ง๐˜ณ๐˜ข๐˜ช๐˜ฅ. ๐˜ ๐˜ฃ๐˜ณ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜จ ๐˜บ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ ๐˜จ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฆ๐˜ธ๐˜ด ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ข๐˜ต ๐˜ธ๐˜ช๐˜ญ๐˜ญ ๐˜ค๐˜ข๐˜ถ๐˜ด๐˜ฆ ๐˜จ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ๐˜ข๐˜ต ๐˜ซ๐˜ฐ๐˜บ ๐˜ง๐˜ฐ๐˜ณ ๐˜ข๐˜ญ๐˜ญ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ฑ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฑ๐˜ญ๐˜ฆ. ๐˜›๐˜ฐ๐˜ฅ๐˜ข๐˜บ ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ต๐˜ฐ๐˜ธ๐˜ฏ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ง ๐˜‹๐˜ข๐˜ท๐˜ช๐˜ฅ ๐˜ข ๐˜š๐˜ข๐˜ท๐˜ช๐˜ฐ๐˜ณ ๐˜ฉ๐˜ข๐˜ด ๐˜ฃ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ ๐˜ฃ๐˜ฐ๐˜ณ๐˜ฏ ๐˜ต๐˜ฐ ๐˜บ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ; ๐˜๐˜ฆ ๐˜ช๐˜ด ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜”๐˜ฆ๐˜ด๐˜ด๐˜ช๐˜ข๐˜ฉ, ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜“๐˜ฐ๐˜ณ๐˜ฅ. ๐˜›๐˜ฉ๐˜ช๐˜ด ๐˜ธ๐˜ช๐˜ญ๐˜ญ ๐˜ฃ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ข ๐˜ด๐˜ช๐˜จ๐˜ฏ ๐˜ต๐˜ฐ ๐˜บ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ: ๐˜ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ ๐˜ธ๐˜ช๐˜ญ๐˜ญ ๐˜ง๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ข ๐˜ฃ๐˜ข๐˜ฃ๐˜บ ๐˜ธ๐˜ณ๐˜ข๐˜ฑ๐˜ฑ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ ๐˜ค๐˜ญ๐˜ฐ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ด ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ญ๐˜บ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜จ ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ ๐˜ข ๐˜ฎ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜จ๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ.โ€โ€ ๐˜“๐˜ถ๐˜ฌ๐˜ฆ 2:10-12

Ask God to make believers bold to share His story, to remember Him ceaselessly in their day to make Him known, and to live lives that show obedience and love to God. Vietnamese are looking for hope and pray that these days of Christmas will impact lives more than ever before---for God's glory. #pray4vietnam
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More and more decorations are found along street s More and more decorations are found along street shops and coffee shops noting the season of Christmas. However, in a city of 10 million, not a large percentage of the population has any kind of decoration at home.

Even more, not many know the meaning of Christmas ---God loving the world that He sent His Son as Savior of the world. Parties and tracts emphasizing the story of Jesus will and are bringing the Gospel to Vietnamese.

โ€œFor a Child is born to us, a Son is given to us. The government will rest on His shoulders. And He will be called: Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.โ€ Isaiah 9:6

Several days of December have already passed, so let's remember to fully celebrate in our hearts โ€œโ€ฆ the Maker of heaven and earth, the sea, and everything in them---He remains faithful forever.โ€ Psalms 146:6
Yes, God remains. God remains faithful. God remains faithful forever.

Pray for God to be made known greatly and He is proclaimed for hearts to have the opportunity to choose to follow Him. #pray4vietnam
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โ€œThe idols of the nations are merely things of s โ€œThe idols of the nations are merely things of silver and gold, shaped by human hands. They have mouths but cannot speak, and eyes but cannot see. They have ears but cannot hear, and mouths but cannot breathe. And those who make idols are just like them, as are all who trust in them.โ€ Psalms 135:15-18

โ€œYour name, O Lord, endures forever; Your fame, O Lord, is known to every generation.โ€ Psalms 135:13

Thanks be to the One True God Almighty; worship Him alone. #pray4vietnam
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A barber on the sidewalk of Saigon offering free h A barber on the sidewalk of Saigon offering free haircuts---what could be a better bargain.

Sometimes God surprises us with a free item or extra service and we are pleased and happy; but do we consider that a gift and blessing from Him? All good gifts are from Him. We live in a dark world that offers imitation for the real thing or takes something away from us and hurts us. When something good happens in our lives, give God credit. It will transform your thankful heart and honor Him.

โ€œWhatever is good and perfect is a gift coming down to us from God our Father, who created all the lights in the heavens. He never changes or casts a shifting shadow.โ€ James 1:17

Give thanks for the good things in your life today. Ask God for His rich mercies towards the people of Vietnam so that they too would join in praise to Him because He deserves it. #pray4vietnam
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Saigon is well-known for its tangled web of electr Saigon is well-known for its tangled web of electrical lines. Though in some parts of the city, they are being placed underground, there are far more lines like these above ground than below. It's not uncommon for electrical outages in different parts of the city, but these days it seems less and less.

How many times because of weather events has the loss of power been in the news where you live?

We live by power in our lives. As Believers, we are connected to the Holy Spirit because of His indwelling at the time of salvation but choosing to live by worldly principles only quenches the power of the Holy Spirit.

God has called us to be filled with joy and thankfulness. He wants us to submerge every inch of our lives in His overcoming power.

God, make all of my life fully surrendered to You. Forgive me when I trust in myself and the world and with a repentant and thankful heart, let my actions show the power of the Holy Spirit. All credit and glory to You---amen.

Ask God to remind Vietnamese believers of His faithfulness and let them experience His power in their lives. #pray4vietnam
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Friends sharing in our lives are something to be t Friends sharing in our lives are something to be thankful for. Greenery and benches to stop a moment along Hoang Sa street canal bring enjoyable get-togethers.

Who are all the people you are praying for in your life right now? Encourage them by letting them know they are in your heart and prayers, as Paul the Apostle encouraged Timothy: "I thank God for you---the God I serve with a clear conscience, just as my ancestors did. Night and day I constantly remember you in my prayers." 2 Timothy 1:3

We live in a broken world where everything calls us towards selfishness and despair. We need to pray for one another and especially thank God for providing us with friends.

Pray for believers who share their testimony of God's faithfulness with their friends. Pray for Oanh who gave testimony this past Sunday and many to look to God and be thankful. #pray4vietnam
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